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Support Art with Matt Driscoll

In this episode of Born on 3rd, I welcome Matt Driscoll, an award-winning tattoo artist, entrepreneur, and Co-Owner of 9th Realm Tattoo and Art Gallery in Salem, MA. Listen in as Matt and I talk about how he’s bringing light into the world through the art of tattooing along with his candid thoughts on how society views people with tattoos.

We discuss how Matt’s upbringing in Southern California has impacted his art, why he moved out to the East Coast, and how the culture differs from SoCal culture. He speaks on why he got into art and his path to becoming a tattoo artist and shop owner. Matt highlights his relationship with money, wealth, and success, how his parents’ absence affected his life, and his challenging experience raising his little sister.

Then, he reflects on the increasing acceptance of tattoos in America juxtaposed with the ever-present discrimination of people based on their skin color.

“Even if my subject matter is dark, I want to bring some light into this world, so everything I do is like bright-colored. I just always try to put emotion in things, man, I love it. I want to make someone feel something by looking at an image.” – Matt Driscoll

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Value Kindness with Kaitlin Johnstone

Welcome back to another installment of Born On Third, this week on the show I am joined by Co-founder of Kind Cotton – Kaitlin Johnstone. During her days as an educator Kaitlin noticed a lot of underrepresentation in the books she was teaching. The demographic in her classroom did not reflect the characters in the books being used, so together with her husband she sought to change that. Fast forward to 2022 Kind Cotton has donated over 52,000 books with their goal only growing and their reach expanding!

Key Takeaways:

Even in school districts with a high demographic of black and Hispanic students, the curriculum was not representative of them or their culture

The impact education has on early childhood developments makes a huge a difference in your educational journey; from traditional knowledge to social sills

Hate is taught – it is paramount to actively teach children to be anti-racist otherwise at an early age they begin to associate with other kids who look like them

Episode Highlights:

[00:51] Introduction to Kaitlin

[03:47] What base were you born on?

[08:11] Starting Kind Cotton

[11:42] Kids starting at home base

[17:55] Guidelines and themes of books donated

[21:15] Legislation in Florida

[26:00] Going against the grain

[35:11] Responsibility of change falls on white people

[37:39] Purchasing Kind Cotton books

[42:27] Recommended books

[45:20] Starting a reading program

[48:31] How can people support Kind Cotton?

[54:38] What base do you think you are on now?

[56:33] Outr0


It’s hard for people to step back and outside of themselves”

“My third year into teaching I started recognizing that a lot of children didn’t have access to books – they especially didn’t have access to books in which they felt seen, valued and loved”

“Teachers make more decisions than brain surgeons on a daily basis which is why there’s so much tremendous mental burnout in education”

“We want children to feel seen regardless of where they come from, what their culture is, or what their parent’s sexual orientation is”

“Books should be windows and mirrors”

Learn more about Kind Cotton here

Follow Kaitlin on IG at @kindcotton

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Parenthood with Lonnie Brewer

Welcome back to another episode of Born on Third, today on the show I am joined by Lonnie Brewer to discuss his experience growing up on first base and parenting. Lonnie is an H.R. consultant, a Diversity, Equity, and Inclusion Consultant, and has his own podcast underway titled On Becoming Bulletproof.

Growing up with three sisters and a mother who continually worked at least two jobs, Lonnie felt the responsibility to be the man of the house, even at five years old. He shares the stark transition from living in a dangerous area with no racism to a safer white neighborhood with overt racism. Lonnie’s experience navigating different layers of poverty has shaped him into the resilient father he is today with wisdom that can only be taught through sharing his experience. 

Key Takeaways:

  • Being poor versus being broke is all about the mindset. Being poor is a mindset while being broke is an economic condition
  • Saying the word “can’t” holds deeper connotation than what appears on the surface; it signifies surrendering, reluctance, and weakness
  • The passive racist; a person who enjoys the privileges from a system that oppresses others and does nothing about it


Episode Highlights:

[00:00] Introduction to Lonnie Brewer

[02:33] What base were you born on?

[07:21] The unwritten rules of the wealthy

[12:04] Background growing up

[18:41] Moving to Springfield

[20:18] Broke vs poor

[21:26] How do you teach resilience?

[27:19] Role modeling

[30:00] What parts of childhood help you as a parent?

[34:17] The passive racist

[37:41] Meeting your father

[45:00] A purest at heart

[48:55] Lessons to pass on

[54:35] What base are you on now?

[58:29] Outro




  • “Wow, so that’s what it looks like to grow up with privilege – you don’t really feel like rules apply to you”
  • “When I was 11 years old I was jumped by 6 guys”
  • “My life could have easily gone in the other direction; I feel fortunate just to be alive”
  • “Tell me and I’ll forget. Teach me and I may remember. Involve me, show me and I’ll learn”
  • “I had to learn how to be a man without the benefit of having one in my life”




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We Are All One Family with David Docusen

Welcome back to another installment of Born on Third, this week on the show I welcome Pastor, serial non-profit entrepreneur, and author of the book Neighborliness: Love Like Jesus. Cross Dividing Lines. Transform Your Community, David Docusen.

In this episode, David speaks on the hypocrisy we see in religious texts and how it addresses contemporary issues like economic divide, race, and sexual orientation. As a person who experienced living on both 3rd and 1st base, David points out the biases we are conditioned to believe and practice, even if it’s subconscious. Learning through these biases is one of the many ways David is combating these predispositions to help us understand that, as he perfectly puts it, we are all one family.

Key Takeaways:

  • Reconciliation vs conciliation; to reconcile means to go back to a preexisting state when what we’re looking for is a new start
  • Christianity and atheism are not mutually exclusive when it comes to being empathetic, virtuous, and inclusive
  • The spirit of neighborliness goes beyond doing good deeds, its setting your biases aside to unify, understand, and grow with conviction

 Episode Highlights:

[00:00] introduction to David Docusen

[06:01] What base were you born on?

[07:51] The journey to writing Neighborliness

[13:14] Weaponized religion

[16:11] The hypocrisy of religion

[21:40] Following the word of Jesus vs following Jesus

[25:40] “We are all one family”

[27:51] Embody the spirit of neighborliness

[30:31] Admitting we all have biases

[36:05] Reconciliation

[44:37] Making an impact in your community


  • “If we’re not willing to acknowledge that there’s some advantage that has been given to white people in our country, then you are just making a bunch of noise”
  • “There are some that would resonate with my faith background and some that may find that to be off putting, and I say let’s just have a conversation together”
  • “I don’t want you to follow Jesus, I want you to embody his life and his presence to the world around you”
  • “I think that if we actually behaved like Jesus, we would go in and build relationships and not throw down religious law”
  • “The inevitable outcome to division is conflict, violence, and death”
  • “Jesus wasn’t trying to win arguments; he was trying to build relationships”
  • “We can learn so much and [yet] never do anything of substance to our community”
  • “Systems can change because systems are made of people”

Learn more about the mission of Neighborliness here

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Privilege is an Opportunity with Jared Karol

Welcome back to another episode of Born on Third. On this episode we are joined by author of the book A White Guy Confronting Racism: An Invitation to Reflect and Act, Jared Karol. Jared has been a champion for diversity as showcased through his works at Translator, Inc. as a D.E.I consultant and public speaker.

In this episode, Jared flips the connotation of privilege from a meaning of accusation to an opportunity for collaboration in dismantling oppressive systems and people. With over 20 years of expertise under his belt, Jared has been able to introduce humanity to the conversation of racism. His work has flipped the script to sway white folks into seeing people as what they are, humans.


Key Takeaways:

  • Having the motivation to connect with people is key to understanding others. Listening to their perspective and learning of adversities they’ve faced reveals a spectrum of inequities they would have otherwise not been aware of
  • Victims of discrimination are left with the burden of educating those who have discriminated against them.
  • Humanity, E.Q., mindfulness, and storytelling – four critical talking points from A White Guy Confronting Racism that encapsulates the message of racism and how to combat it


Episode Highlights:

[00:50] Introduction to Jared Karol

[03:02] What base were you born on?

[06:50] The connotation privilege holds

[12:38] The privilege to not think about race

[14:21] Cancel culture

[19:50] Instant gratification

[22:22] “Tell me more”

[27:17] What are key takeaways from the book?

[33:41] Humanity and political implications

[39:14] When and how is confronting racism with humor affective?

[43:50] Connect with Jared



  • “Because we haven’t had to think about race and racism, for the most part, we’re not aware of what others go through”
  • “Privilege, for some reason, has a connotation of an accusation”
  • “Yes, I grew up poor, I didn’t have the nice house and the money and the amenities that my friends had, but I was still white”
  • “If you ask 10 people what does cancel culture mean you’d get 10 different answers”
  • “We are all traumatized from racism”
  • “No one is free until we’re all free”
  • “I think it would be naïve if we said racism isn’t both influenced and affected by policy, politics, and laws”
  • “Racism at its core is about dehumanization”


Stay connect with Jared: Website | Instagram | A White Guy Confronting Racism




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Reflections on Gun Violence with Lonnie Brewer

Lonnie and I recorded this podcast on Tuesday, one week after the mass shooting at the Robb Elementary School in Uvalde, Texas. We both felt it was important to share the conversation that we were having privately with others. In the time it took to edit this episode, 33 mass shootings have happened in the US. This has to stop. Something must change. We hope that our conversation will help others begin or continue their own discussions around ending gun violence.



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Reflections on the Buffalo Shooting with Lonnie Brewer

Lonnie and I recorded this podcast on Saturday, one week after the domestic terrorist attack at the Tops grocery store in Buffalo. We both felt it was important to share the conversation that we were having privately with others. In the time it took to edit this episode, another attack happened at an elementary school in Texas. This has to stop. Something must change. We hope that our conversation will help others begin or continue their own discussions around ending domestic terrorism.

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Beauty as a Currency with Maggie Campbell

Welcome back to another episode of Born On Third. This week on the show we welcome Maggie Campbell; a leader in the spirit industry, an expert in rum distilling, and an advocate for women.

In this episode, Maggie addresses the pushback she has experienced as a woman in the distillery industry.  She acknowledges the role pretty privileged played in advancing her career while also juxtaposing the declining effect it has as accepted conventional beauty standards begin to fade. All things considered, Maggie’s championing for women’s progress in the spirit industry has materialized at Mount Gay where over 50% of women are in managerial position and with an even higher diversity average. 


Key Takeaways:

    • White saviorism is not the same helping. It promotes unsolicited “rescuing” of marginalized communities and only benefits the ego of the white savior complex ideology
    • Modern segregation in Barbados Barbados is almost nonexistent. Whereas segregation in America is intentional and is clearly defined in each neighborhood 
  • America is an individual-centered culture and Barbados is a community-centered culture


Episode Highlights:

[00:50] Introduction to Maggie Campbell

[02:49] What base do you think you were born on?

[05:00] Pretty privilege

[07:51] Body and size cultures

[10:41] Community organizing 

[13:00] The Trevor Project

[15:25] Getting into rum

[19:40] Pushback as a woman in the industry

[24:20] Moving from Boston to Barbados  

[31:37] Difference in justices between America and Barbados

[36:41] Welcoming culture of Barbados 

[39:07] Recognizing the difference in segregation

[43:33] Safety in work environments

[47:00] Transition into moving internationally

[52:51] What base do you think you’re on now?

[55:33] Connect with Maggie



  • “Beauty as a currency” 
  • “In our language [and] in our daily lives we tie so much to being thin”
  • “The desire to police other people is something I’ve gained a lot perspective on since moving outside of the United States”
  • “Trying to bring the same respect that people have for scotch to the rum world is hard because there is a level colonization and exploitation in the history of rum” 
  • “There’s a big difference between white saviorism and actually truly helping someone shine”
  • “Friends of many, satellites of none”

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Craft Beer’s New Era with Brienne Allan

Welcome back to another installment of Born On 3rd with this week’s guest Brienne Allan. Brienne is an entrepreneur, brewer, and beer industry advocate. She’s ignited a movement within the craft beer industry, calling to end sexism, sexual harassment, assault and discrimination.

In this episode, Brienne addresses misconceptions revolving around the beer industry – putting an end to the illusion that it is male-dominated. She brings to light the inequities women face in the industry; from needing twice the experience and education compared to their male counterparts to tolerating condescending behavior. Brienne has also led the industry into a new era of inclusion and equal opportunity, opening the doors to people of all walks of life. 

 Key Takeaways:

  • The Craft Brewery industry that appears to be male dominated is a façade. More often than not there are women in the background running the industry with little to no credit.
  • Hold brewing companies accountable of their actions. In light of BLM and the Me Too movement, cases have come to the surface and it is in our control as consumers to hold breweries accountable.
  • Diversity, inclusion, and representation in the craft brewing industry is monumental in its continued growth.

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Making Progress with Vernā Myers

In this episode, Vernā Meyers joins me, and we have an outstanding discussion about all sides of social economics and the role it plays in allowing people to take advantage of privilege while it simultaneously exploits (or forgets) others. Vernā shares the often-overlooked example of people with disabilities and the introduction of the ADA as well as the marginalization of ethnic minorities. We share ideas on how we can all use our knowledge to change our spheres of influence.

Key Takeaways:

  • People with disabilities endure a very different lived experience. Their access is limited, and needs are often forgotten – we are blind to what we do not encounter.


  • Progression then regression is commonly experienced among marginalized groups. The progress we’ve made in breaking down stigmas is often so easily lost because of narratives that continue to be reinforced. 


  • Breaking down learned behaviors begins with exposure and is strengthened by relationships. 

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