Lonnie and I recorded this podcast on Tuesday, one week after the mass shooting at the Robb Elementary School in Uvalde, Texas. We both felt it was important to share the conversation that we were having privately with others. In the time it took to edit this episode, 33 mass shootings have happened in the US. This has to stop. Something must change. We hope that our conversation will help others begin or continue their own discussions around ending gun violence.